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111124-吴法天人大讲座_回答学生问题部分

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weidaily温哥华

有点儿意思
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3分钟前来自优酷网
LIe_eLI

请这种人讲座,不怕把教室弄臭了?
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西域佳木2011

为天地立心,为生命立命。说得多好,后生可畏。
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雪堆旁的火花

吴法天的很多观点我无法接受,但他敢于面对回应问题的态度我恨认可。
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sstt梓-

回复SS-WU:素质低下,你也配民主?!
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桃源村支书

口口声声说别人是"舔菊者",你又是个什么东西?仗着自己写了几个字,卖了几本书,就可以随意拔高自己?
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sstt梓-

回复爽之:对
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ss911911

回复sstt梓-:去你妈逼的 滚你妈逼的 对于这种狗 也就配这样的话了
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崔小平律师

//李蒙记者: //肖雪慧: 回复砍瓜切菜:追问学生姓名、代表谁,这也叫得体?你的"得体"标准太独特!另,指人涉嫌犯罪,要依据法律,而不是因对方是艾未未就可以把借款混淆成非法 集资。这种混淆出自一个在大学讲坛演讲的法律教授,很奇怪。这不是什么政治观念先行,是就事论事!
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一个人的默背

//骆-家辉2011: //世界是他们的18: [嘻嘻] //艾小虎13:呵呵 // XXXXBH : 你代表谁。。。 // 艾小虎13 : 今天的学生不是问问"你叫什么名字"可以吓唬住的。。
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sstt梓-

回复爽之:对
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26分钟前来自新浪微博
ss911911

回复sstt梓-:去你妈逼的 滚你妈逼的 对于这种狗 也就配这样的话了
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崔小平律师

//李蒙记者: //肖雪慧: 回复砍瓜切菜:追问学生姓名、代表谁,这也叫得体?你的"得体"标准太独特!另,指人涉嫌犯罪,要依据法律,而不是因对方是艾未未就可以把借款混淆成非法 集资。这种混淆出自一个在大学讲坛演讲的法律教授,很奇怪。这不是什么政治观念先行,是就事论事!
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一个人的默背

//骆-家辉2011: //世界是他们的18: [嘻嘻] //艾小虎13:呵呵 // XXXXBH : 你代表谁。。。 // 艾小虎13 : 今天的学生不是问问"你叫什么名字"可以吓唬住的。。
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砍瓜切菜_0001

追问学生姓名代表谁怎么就不得体了?吴法天和学生是单独平等的个体,吴法天和李鸿忠的身份不同吧,口气也完全不一样。指人涉嫌犯罪,是依照事实和 法律。请你搞清楚,指人涉嫌犯罪,不是判决某人犯罪,你搞懂两者的区别没有?
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川飞象

五毛狗,一切行为都在法律的框架下进行,你信吗?说谎鼻子会变长是针对人的,你不是人,所以你的鼻子不变长。//十年砍柴: 联想到前一阵子司马南在中青院的遭遇,倍感欣慰。这些舔菊者能把老爷们伺候舒服得到一杯羹就行了,还想着来"引导"广大青年学生-----太低估了年轻人 的智商,高估了自己的能力。
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古丽亚2010

//善修: //肖雪慧: 追问学生姓名、代表谁,这也叫得体?你的"得体"标准!另,指人涉嫌犯罪,要依据法律,而不是因对方是艾未未就可以把借款混淆成非法集资。再重申一遍:这 种混淆出自法律界之外人士,可以理解,但出自一个在大学讲坛演讲的法律教授,很奇怪。这不是什么政治观念先行,是就事论事!
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西域佳木2011

为天地立心,为生命立命。说得多好,后生可畏。
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刘玉斌LYB

//
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鸿-fly

吴法天整天以一副恶心地面目愚弄人民,当面对真正的良知是又采取逃避。甚至威胁的语调,令人看清他一个伪学者的本来面目!
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ss911911

回复sstt梓-:滚 有多远 滚多远 晚上陪你的中共高官去吧!
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sstt梓-

回复SS-WU:说你脑残你还不信,极品!
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ss911911

回复sstt梓-:你们这么网评员的良心还不值5毛呢!
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ss911911

回复sstt梓-:你既然当了五毛 就别怕别人骂人 做五毛要敬业!
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sstt梓-

回复SS-WU:我给你六毛,不用找了!
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楼越石

哈哈,无法舔的真面目:巧舌如簧——舌生毒疮!//艾小虎13: 呵呵 //XXXXBH: 你代表谁。。。 //艾小虎13: 今天的学生不是问问"你叫什么名字"可以吓唬住的。。
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文艺青年V

//十年砍柴: 联想到前一阵子司马南在中青院的遭遇,倍感欣慰。这些舔菊者能把老爷们伺候舒服得到一杯羹就行了,还想着来"引导"广大青年学生-----太低估了年轻人 的智商,高估了自己的能力。
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一一大白菜

洗脑娃最恐的一问么
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ss911911

回复sstt梓-:去你妈逼的 滚你妈逼的 对于这种狗 也就配这样的话了
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sstt梓-

回复爽之:对
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111126-卫报-艾未未:每天我都想,今天我该又被抓进去了

RT : 那三万债主怎么办呀 RT : 【荐译】《卫报》:艾未未:"每天我都想,今天我该又被抓进去了。


http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/nov/26/ai-weiwei-china-situation-quite-bad/print
Ai Weiwei: 'Every day I think, this will be the day I get taken in again...'
The more he is harassed by his government, the more Ai Weiwei becomes a symbol of activism in China. But how much longer can he continue to speak out?
'My voice is not for me. Every time I speak I think how many people had a voice that no one could hear' … Ai Weiwei. Photograph: Dan Chung

The surveillance camera police have trained on the turquoise gate of Ai Weiwei's studio in north Beijing captures a steady stream of visitors; journalists, well-wishers, the art crowd. Five months after his release from an 81-day detention, and in the wake of a fortnight of extraordinary expressions of public support, Ai is anticipating other arrivals. "Every day I think, 'this will be the day I will be taken in again.'

"That's also the impression they [the authorities] try to create, not just to me but to the whole society; to anybody who has different opinions," he adds.

A few years ago the celebrated Chinese artist was a well-established figure in the international and domestic art worlds; provocative, certainly, but respectable enough to co-design the Olympic Bird's Nest stadium in Beijing and be covered by Chinese state media. Then his outspoken views and activism triggered clashes with authority, culminating in this year's detention – part of a broader crackdown on activists, lawyers and dissidents that saw dozens held and more harassed, threatened or placed under other restrictions. He has become, to many, the face of human rights in China: more a symbol than a person.

"The fact the government disappeared him, and then afterwards continued to go after him through various charges, sends a signal to other activists that even if you are well known it does not really protect you," says Wang Songlian of the Chinese Human Rights Defenders Network. "On the other hand, the way he turned it around was very clever, and I think activists have been energised."

"It's never about me," says Ai, now 54. "[My supporters] use me as a mark for themselves to recognise their own form of life: I become their medium. I am always very clear about that."

Ai emerged from his ordeal in June, far slimmer – having lost almost 10kg, some of which he has regained – and apparently chastened.

"My energy was very low after these 81 days and I really needed the time to recover, mentally and physically. I was quite fragile," he acknowledges. "I tried to do much less, because I also think this is not a game I can play. If they can make you disappear, why do you still play this game? Ridiculous.

"But even if you don't speak, they still put these false accusations on you … So then you feel, if you don't speak, you are part of this crime. I guess both sides are very disappointed." He laughs.

There are fewer flashes of the puckish humour these days and he is more cautious in his pronouncements, but he is nonetheless saying more than the government would like, and recent actions by his supporters speak still louder. When authorities handed him a £1.5m tax bill, thousands helped him pay the first tranche, some flinging money over the studio walls. When police mooted the possibility that he was guilty of pornography – in relation to photos picturing him and four women, all naked – they tweeted nude pictures of themselves.

"We are trying to work with a very limited space. To people who do not understand the conditions, it may look ridiculous. But to us, that's the only space," he says.

"Normally people feel powerless. That's how society becomes a society, if they think they have a little power and support and help to solve the problem."

The downside is not only the risk of authorities using the donations against him – by deeming it illegal fundraising – but the ever-increasing expectations of his supporters. He was "thrilled" to learn how much support he had received during his detention, but the pressure from both sides has become hard to bear.

"One side has so much hope they put on my shoulders. I cannot really help them. I can't even help me; my condition [situation] is quite bad," he observes.

As he talks, a black spaniel is snuffling around the table; it's not hard to see why Ai has such a fondness for his numerous pets. "I think they are in a parallel world … They don't really care. I was in, I was out; they are always here."

The passion and fury Ai inspires make it easy to overstate his influence. He is well known to art lovers in China, but a very long way from being a household name. He has galvanised people who would not normally make political statements; but they are a tiny proportion of even the educated elite, never mind the rest of the country's 1.3bn population.

His bleak view of China has also been questioned. It is true that people are far freer to criticise authority than 30 or even 10 years ago; that their personal freedoms are vastly expanded and that many are broadly satisfied with the tacit deal – growing economic prosperity in exchange for political limits.

But others share his concern about the Communist party's rigid grip on power as it strives to reassert control over mainstream and social media, and to roll back some of the space that an embryonic civil society has carved out. Last week prominent Chinese legal scholar Jiang Ping warned that the country increasingly resembled a dictatorship.

The Chinese government insists Ai's case is unrelated to human rights and that he was held for tax evasion; critics say the western media have lionised him when they should be assessing his financial records. But it is impossible to do so; police confiscated the documents of the company that handled his affairs. Ai deems the tax bill "political revenge or punishment" and says it has no factual basis.

"It is legitimate to ask whether Ai Weiwei or, more accurately, Beijing Fake Cultural Development Ltd, owes taxes," Joshua Rosenzweig, a Hong Kong-based independent human rights researcher, wrote recently.

"It is also legitimate to raise questions about political motivations behind the prosecution, because of the particular way in which the police intervened in this case prior to any investigation by tax authorities, the fact that Ai's disappearance was carried out in the context of dozens of other detentions … unambiguously political in nature, and the way the propaganda machinery has been mobilised to smear his reputation."

Ai was reportedly interrogated more than 50 times during his detention, but about his views and activism rather than his financial dealings. He does not go into detail about what happened but points out that many of the others detained this spring were treated far worse. According to the accounts that have trickled out some were beaten; many were deprived of sleep, forced to sit in stress positions and threatened. Several still show clear symptoms of trauma, say friends.

"I think I recovered the most. About 100 people were taken in. Only a few have spoken out. Most of them [seem] to be silenced for ever – some you can see are completely crushed," Ai says.

"It's hard to recover. You become not so innocent. You become, in a way, more sophisticated, which I think you shouldn't. We should all have more simple happiness ... You become bitter."

And yet, he adds: "Maybe there is something I got from it. Maybe you also start to be clear on certain things."

The parallels with his father's case are inescapable. Ai Qing was a revered poet, which in part explains the relative protection his son has enjoyed, but endured years of persecution after being condemned as a rightist. "His whole heart loved art and literature. But he was crushed; he almost committed suicide several times," says Ai, who grew up in a labour camp.

"My voice is not for me. Every time I make a sentence I think how many people for how many generations had a voice that no one could hear. At most they will be remembered as numbers; in many cases, even numbers don't exist.

"I think I have this responsibility for my father's generation, and especially future generations."

Still, he insists, "I am not a dissident" – simply someone put on the spot by the government's actions.

Amid the political storm, it is easy to lose sight of Ai's artistic record. His work is on show in London, Berlin and Taipei; next year will see exhibitions in Sweden, France and the Netherlands. More remarkably, a gallery in Beijing is exhibiting some of his past work – including the list of names of children who died in the Sichuan earthquake. His attempts to tally the deaths of those who had died in shoddily constructed schools put him on a collision course with authorities.

Friends say he views the outside world critically, too; his 2007 work, Fairytale, in which he transported 1,001 compatriots to Germany, was not only about exposing participants to another way of life, but about challenging European perceptions of the Chinese.

His studio is busy again, but "I don't really care that much about if I want to be more successful or less successful in art, because I never think life and art should be separate," Ai says. "What's life if you don't have conversation and joy and anger?"

Activism is the inevitable result of his art, rather than a distraction from it: "If I was a scientist maybe [restrictions on expression] wouldn't bother me – but as an artist, finding a way to communicate with people is the core activity."

In an authoritarian society, he adds, that can only lead to conflict. Many wonder if Ai will tire of the unending tussle and move abroad. His conditions of release prevent him from leaving Beijing for a year, but the government would probably be happy to see him go; critics usually slip from public view once they emigrate.

He says he has to respect the opinions of his family, but thinks it important "to try to stay here as long as possible".

In any case, China has, he says, "braver, more brilliant" young people than him, with a fresh set of ideas.

"That's also quite encouraging. It's about life, actually. It's a story about life," he says. Not about him.

Five other figures of dissent in China

Chen Guangcheng

The blind lawyer was jailed for damaging property and obstructing traffic after helping women who had suffered forced abortions. He has been under house arrest since his release last year; scores of activists have shown their support by attempting to visit his village in Shandong, despite being beaten and harassed by thugs there.

Liu Xiaobo

Beijing was furious when the Nobel committee awarded the jailed author the peace prize last year. He is serving an 11-year sentence for subversion of state power, having co-authored Charter 08, a call for democratic reform in China. Officials say he is a criminal, not a dissident.

Liu Xia

The poet had little interest in politics, but spoke out about her husband Liu Xiaobo's case and vanished after he won the Nobel prize. She is thought to be under house arrest; in February she made brief online contact with a friend, saying she was a hostage and no one could help her.

Gao Zhisheng

Once feted by authorities, the lawyer angered them by taking on sensitive cases such as those relating to the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement. He vanished in 2009 and alleged – during a brief and bizarre reappearance last year – that police had subjected him to sustained torture.

Ni Yulan

Clashes with officials over housing rights left the lawyer disabled and homeless. She was among the many detained this spring; while most have been released, Ni and her husband are awaiting trial for "creating a disturbance". Human rights groups say they are increasingly concerned about her health.


Comments in chronological order (Total 4 comments)

    stuckinazoo

    26 November 2011 12:29AM

    I really feel for this guy. Anyone who goes (peacefully) against the tide in the face of embarrassment, backlash, physical violence or worse, I think is an inspiration. I wish him all the best.
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    Freego

    26 November 2011 1:45AM

    Ai Weiwei is in a difficult place. Much of what he says is completely justifiable. A large part of his problem is the way Western media latches onto him as an icon. The Dalai Lama is in the same position. Both are straw dogs for the plentiful sinopaths, meaning the psychopaths who stoke sinophobia in Western populations for reasons of egotism and hate.
    Both are hindered from being effective in their environments by their artificial and contorted supporters such as Richard Gere; supporters who know very little about the truth of the varied perspectives in the reality of their idols. Left to their own devices they could be highly effective in changing the reality on the ground in their localities, but unfortunately both have snuggled up to the sinopaths because of their own egotism and are therefore the other large part of their present problem.

    To sum it up, both of these personalities are set up as sacrificial straw dogs by the destructive egos of twisted people who shout their support for reasons of self worship and whatever China does they will be whipped by this bundle of strange beings.

    Princess Di was also a straw dog.

    (A straw dog is a small bundled straw facsimile of a dog that is used for ceremonial purposes. Highly venerated for the duration of the ceremony it is cast aside as straw immediately the ceremony is finished)
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    ChinaBounder

    26 November 2011 2:00AM

    A lovely article, Tania, thoughtful and balanced - thank-you. Ai Weiwei is a great man, and an astutely self-aware one, too - "It's never about me ...[My supporters] use me as a mark for themselves to recognise their own form of life.." - what stirring words.

    And he makes the point that others were treated far worse - that, too, is noble. I recall meeting a young woman who'd been in a 're-education' camp because she was a Falun Gong supporter. She was... absent, haunted, cracked, pale. Fuck knows what the state goons did to her, but whatever it was they did it hard...

    Indeed though Ai has become an icon, a face for Chinese state repression, it is not a role he asks for or seeks.

    A brave man and the kind of person who - like the tank man - puts me in awe of the strength of will of some people in the face of tyranny.
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    adsoofmelk

    26 November 2011 2:27AM

    Both are hindered from being effective in their environments by their artificial and contorted supporters.

    Ai Wei's Wei's very fame is what is protecting him now. Do you think he would still be free if he hadn't become a household word in the West over the last year? do you think he isn't newsworthy? Shall we just ignore these people in the hope the CCP will go easier on them? You seem unwilling to attach blame to the one group of people who are actually responsible for this unending tale of misery.

    The Party have a huge problem with AWW, I agree. He is now the most famous person born in Mainland China in the last 100 years. Only Mao was better known in modern times. This means they simply can't 'dissapear' him as they normally would. This is unchartered territory for the CCP. And as we all know, they are not very good when it comes to dealing with new challenges.

    And I would suggest that conflating hatred of the Party and a hatred of Chinese people in the term "sinopath" is your own disingenous 'straw dog.'



艾未未借据

哈皮范
哇,太精美了,我也动心了 RT :  嬸兒辛苦啦 RT : 借据开始寄了。
11月22日

艾未未 Ai Weiwei
借据开始寄了。
11月22日 通过 web



lihlii
难以想象的一项艺术工程,这个可太费工了呀 RT : 那时就有瓜子了呢 RT : 收到 借据了,老妈看到时的第一反应「怎么这么像国民党时代的东西」。
2分钟前






艾未未的小债主毛豆

RT :  作为 的小债主,毛豆在借款1元给艾未未以后,合影做证。




香港艾币在流通中

哈皮范
艾币在流通中 RT :  吃飯餐廳找零的一張紙幣...
11月9日



111124-德国《明镜周刊》对艾未未的访谈

哈皮范
这次德国《明镜周刊》(Spiegel) 对艾未未 的访问真是太棒了,见到最好的一次的,思想深刻,语言雄辩,堪称良好英语的范文
4小时前


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,799302,00.html
11/24/2011

Ai Weiwei 'Shame on Me'

DER SPIEGEL

The Chinese artist Ai Weiwei speaks about the changes in his life since the end of his detention in June and shows himself moved and surprised by a new culture of protest in his country.


SPIEGEL: Last week you made a €970,000 ($1.3 million) payment to the bank account of the Chinese tax authorities. You consider it to be a kind of guarantee, a deposit. Do they consider it to be an admission of guilt?

Ai: I cannot speak for them. But I can tell you a lot about the pressure from the tax bureau and the police department on me. They really, really wanted us to pay. They tried to push us hard. They said: Pay something, you should understand. But they did not tell me what I should understand.

SPIEGEL: So the fact that you finally paid is a kind of victory for them?

Ai: Well, it was desirable for them but we had no choice. They said: If you don't pay, we will bring your case to the public security office, and then you will be facing criminal charges. By law you have to pay first, and then you can make an appeal.

SPIEGEL: Have you ever seen any proof of your alleged tax evasion?

Ai: No, and it is ridiculous. The only reason why they put me in jail is my involvement in politics, my criticism of the authorities. Later the excuse for my detention became my "tax problem." But internally they never told me anything about it. I don't want to underestimate their intelligence, but up to this day I think what they did is very stupid. In fact, they even helped me in an ironic sense. They gave me a chance to explain what is happening with this system. They provided such a platform for me.

SPIEGEL: Is there any chance that your appeal against the tax demand might be successful?

Ai: Almost zero. China never discusses any cases related to politics. They will always use other crimes to charge you with. That has happened since the Cultural Revolution and it is still happening. But the deadly weapon against this kind of totalitarian society is openness. So in my case we do everything very openly on the Internet. We let people know every detail, any little development. Once it is out there, everybody can make their own judgement. So we are holding a trial outside the court. I think that is fairness, that is justice, that is a civil society. Otherwise we call it an evil society because everything is hidden.

SPIEGEL: Many Chinese showed an impressive degree of solidarity by giving you money. Many also added personal messages. Is there one that touched you in particular?

Ai: There were thousands of moving messages. One blogger said: Weiwei, we know who you are, we use our money as a voting ticket. Another one said: Mr. Ai, I am 13 years old, this is the proof that they can never beat us. People sent money from their first month's salary. Others said: This is my retirement payment -- take it. This is the money for my next pair of shoes -- take it. It was very important for me to see and hear those things. Normally you do not see the warmth, humor, care and generosity of the people while writing a blog. You just feel like you are walking in a dark tunnel and you feel alone.

SPIEGEL: Did you underestimate the Chinese people?

Ai: I did. Shame on me. I, and not only me, always thought, in modern history Chinese people are like a dish of sand, never really close together. But today I think a dish of sand is a good metaphor because now we have the Internet. We don't have to be physically united. You can be an individual and have your own set of values but join others in certain struggles. There is nothing more powerful than that. On the Internet, people do not know each other, they don't have common leaders, sometimes not even a common political goal. But they come together on certain issues. I think that is a miracle. It never happened in the past. Without the Internet, I would not even be Ai Weiwei today. I would just be an artist somewhere doing my shows.

SPIEGEL: In China, it is quite unusual for people to show their support for critics of the government so openly. Why do you think they are doing so this time?

Ai: Whenever there is injustice, there is tension. But in China it is very hard to release your anger unless you burn yourself or you jump from a bridge. In a society where there is no freedom of the press, it is difficult for victims to be noticed. Just take the example from yesterday: I had given a telephone interview to CNN. Then, suddenly, CNN was shut down for a couple of minutes. It was the first time I experienced that my television went totally dead. I realized: Oh my God, its because of me, this is crazy! Which nation would do that? Maybe Cuba, North Korea, China. But what do they want, what are they so afraid of?

SPIEGEL: So what is your explanation? Why are you so dangerous to them?

Ai: Truth, this is the greatest danger for this kind of machine. And I am fighting for truth. After 60 years in government they are becoming an underground party again, a secret organization. They never discuss things openly. They don't answer questions. They just give orders, mostly secret orders. But this is not suitable to their position. They have a party with 80 million members. They control this nation. China is the rising superpower. So why are they so shy? What stops them from speaking out? That is the question. Nobody can answer it.

SPIEGEL: Why do you think they are so focused on you?

Ai: I often ask myself this. Why did I become the No. 1 enemy of the state? During my detention even, they kept asking me: Ai Weiwei, what is the reason you have become like this today? My answer is: First, I refuse to forget. My parents, my family, their whole generation and my generation all paid a great deal in the struggle for freedom of speech. Many people died just because of one sentence or even one word. Somebody has to take responsibility for that. If a nation cannot face its past, it has no future. I started to ask questions. Over 5,000 students dead in the Sichuan earthquake. Who were they? The fire in the high-rise building in Shanghai that killed about 60 people. Who were they? I told them: Come on, just answer these very simple questions. As an artist, I am very familiar with how to show the details, how to transform them into a language people can understand. They know that the Internet is a strong force, unbearable for them.


Part 2: 'Do They Want Me To Leave?'

SPIEGEL: Your microblog on Sina Weibo, the Chinese equivalent to Twitter, was blocked and then reopened again.

Ai: It was reopened under a different name, but immediately we got 50,000 followers, our hardcore fans. Sina Weibo allowed me to stay there for about three days. That's the moment we put our bank account on it. I am sure Sina Weibo knew about it, but nobody wanted to delete it without a very firm order from the top.

SPIEGEL: Has Sina Weibo, the microblogging website tolerated by the state, become the platform for a growing democratic movement in China?

Ai: Only because there is no other market, no alternative. China didn't want to lose the cutting edge of technology. So the idea of having a Sina Weibo was an attempt to compete with Twitter. However, it has no soul -- which is freedom of expression. Nevertheless, I think the government regrets having Sina Weibo, but they cannot shut it down. That would definitely be suicidal.

SPIEGEL: Why do you think the government is now coming up with new threats? Is it revenge for you not being silent after your release?

Ai: I don't know their intentions. I guess they have unfinished business. They are afraid to lose face.

SPIEGEL: Have the past months led you to feel closer to your home country China or has it separated you emotionally from it?

Ai: Well, I see the broad support from the young people. If I walk on the street, if I go to a restaurant, people come to me and say: "Can we take a photo together? Can you give me your autograph?" They would bring their expensive Armani or Prada wallet to sign. Other people who are desperate show me a photo of their dead daughter and ask: Can you support me? I tell them: How can I? Morally, of course, I sympathize with you. But I cannot support you and you cannot support me. This is the condition of this society. We are separated.

SPIEGEL: Is it the government hoping that you will leave China one day?

Ai: I have no idea. What do they want? Do they want me to stay? Do they want me to leave? Do they want me to hang myself? To kill myself? What do they want?

SPIEGEL: I guess they want a silent Ai Weiwei.

Ai: That's for sure. They don't want me to talk.

SPIEGEL: Will you stay in China?

Ai: That's a hard question. But it doesn't matter where I am -- China will stay in me. I don't know how far I can still walk on this road and what is the limit.

SPIEGEL: In which way has the experience of the past months changed your art or your definition of art?

Ai: My definition of art has always been the same. It is about freedom of expression, a new way of communication. It is never about exhibiting in museums or about hanging it on the wall. Art should live in the heart of the people. Ordinary people should have the same ability to understand art as anybody else. I don't think art is elite or mysterious. I don't think anybody can separate art from politics. The intention to separate art from politics is itself a very political intention. I definitely know people who are shameless enough to give up basic values. I see this kind of art, and when I see it I feel ashamed. In China they treat art as some form of decoration, a self-indulgence. It is pretending to be art. It looks like art. It sells like art. But it is really a piece of shit.

SPIEGEL: Human rights organizations are viewing the way the regime dealt with you and activists this spring as the harshest repression seen in years. Still, if you look at the past 15 years, do you see any progress in China's civil society?

Ai: There is a lot. Because of the technology, again. Because China partially wants to become part of the world. By hosting the Olympics and the Expo, they made a big effort to tell people: Look, we are the same. They want to be accepted by the international community. But they would never recognize the Western values of freedom of speech and an independent judicial system. However, the younger generation has become rich, they have to face the challenge of competition, so they accept a lot from the West. And China has become much more reasonable than before. They detained me for 81 days, but they never killed me. They clearly told me: "If we were in the Cultural Revolution, you would have been killed 100 times." They said: "We have already improved." I said: "I thank you very much. Yes, you have improved. Not because you are really willing to improve yourself, but only because improvement is a matter of surviving."

SPIEGEL: Do you think people in China are more self-confident now?

Ai: Oh yes, they are fighting for their rights before they even know that they are fighting for their rights. They have never been educated to defend their rights. But if their mom in the hospital has to wait for a long time to be treated, if their children have kidney stones because of the milk powder, if their children die in a collapsed school building during an earthquake, if their houses are forcibly demolished, then they start to speak out.

SPIEGEL: Apart from you as an artist, is there a special group in China which is on the frontline of fighting for human rights?

Ai: There are two groups. First, it's the lawyers because they have to make a living by dealing with cases. There are just a few lawyers who are willing to stand up and say: Hey, this is too much. You are abusing power. Liu Xiaoyuan is one of them. The police told him while I was arrested: You cannot speak for Ai Weiwei. Today he has no lawyer's license. He was threatened; they took off his clothes and kicked him. They insulted him. They clearly told him: We want your family to suffer; we want your family to be broken. It doesn't matter how strong Liu Xiaoyuan is -- how can he bear this? They have done this to a lot of lawyers: They beat them, scare them, follow them. But if civil society has nobody who protects the law, then what kind of society is that?

SPIEGEL: And the second group?

Ai: Yes, that's very funny: the IT people who have made such an effort to know and understand computer technology. They are frustrated that you cannot use Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in China. They are the first to recognize that the situation is terrible. It is not the so-called intellectuals who stand up. Artists are the worst. They are selfish, self-centred; they don't care what happens.

SPIEGEL: It is not only the critics, but also the relatives of dissidents who suffer a lot. Liu Xia, the wife of Liu Xiaobo, is under house arrest. How are your mother and your wife doing?

Ai: They suffer so much. My mother became much older when I came out (ed's note: of detention). She had problems with her hearing and high blood pressure. But they still support me. When you make somebody disappear and you don't announce it to the family, what is this? You make people desperate and bring them close to death. If our cat or dog is lost, it makes us desperately want to know where it is -- so for humans disappearing, you can barely imagine the pain. What kind of society is this? If a society cannot even support somebody like me, then people ask: Who is under protection then? That's why there is such support for me. It is not because I am so beautiful or I am so charming. People feel: This guy is fighting for us.

SPIEGEL: Are there special moments during the day where the memories of your time in jail come back?

Ai: Every second. This is something you can never erase. It leaves a scar on you.

SPIEGEL: If you were asked to express your experience in jail in an artwork, what would you create?

Ai: Nothing. Jail is about nothing. Completely blank.

SPIEGEL: How do you release your rage and anger? How do you deal with it?

Ai: Life is art. Art is life. I never separate it. I don't feel that much anger. I equally have a lot of joy.

SPIEGEL: Where does that joy come from?

Ai: I see the rain. I see the leaves come down.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Ai, we thank you very much.


About Ai Weiwei

During recent days, Chinese regime critic Ai Weiwei seems to have experienced every possible emotion all over again: triumph and defeat, power and powerlessness. First there were the authorities, who applied pressure by issuing an ultimatum for the payment of a tax claim of around 1.7 million euros. And then thousands of Chinese transferred close to 1 million euros via the Internet. Last Tuesday, Ai made a payment of about 970,000 euros -- the amount stipulated as a condition before the artist could officially appeal the claims made by the tax authorities. Ai Weiwei has stated that he is not the legal representative of the firm Beijing Fake Cultural Development Ltd., which is registered in the name of his wife. Since Ai's release after 81 days in custody, SPIEGEL has been in frequent contact with the artist. Last week, the magazine was able to speak with Ai, who is now also accused of disseminating pornographic images by the Chinese authorities.

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-75425.html
Ai Weiwei the Chinese artist was detained for 81 days.


Artist Ai in his studio in Beijing: "You just feel like you are walking in a dark tunnel and you feel alone."


Regime critic Ai in Beijing: "We are holding a trial outside the court."


Support for Ai from the people: "I think it is a miracle," the artist says. "It never happened in the past."


Ai shows his tax guarantee slips: "In China it is very hard to release your anger."


A doorplate for "Fake" (Beijing Fake Cultural Development Ltd.), the company at the center of the tax claims. The firm is actually registered in his wife's name, but the tax demands have nonetheless been addressed to Ai himself.


Police take away an Ai supporter on Nov. 14 in Beijing. "Do they want me to stay? Do they want me to leave?" Ai asks.


A nude portrait of Ai: "Jail is about nothing. Completely blank," he says.


China's leaders (from left: Zhou Yongkang, Li Keqiang, Li Chuangchun, Wen Jiabao, Hu Jintao, Wu Bangguo, Jia Qinglin, Xi Jinping and He Guoqiang): "China partially wants to become part of the world. By hosting the Olympics and the Expo, they made a big effort to tell people: Look, we are the same. They want to be accepted by the international community," Ai remarks.



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推倒柏林墙 @ 2010-12-2 9:10 阅读(21434) 评论(65) 推荐值(614) 引用通告 分类: 未归类

说实话一开始我听到"毛岸英是因一碗蛋炒饭而死"这个故事的时候我是将信将疑的,因为这段情节实在是太欢乐了,乌有之乡的不少毛左至今仍坚信这是 个用心歹毒的谎言,甚至扬言要把造谣者和其家属人肉出来杀掉,颇有文革遗风。很不幸的是,随着时间的流逝,我发现自己过去将信将疑的那些故事,最 后往往都被证明是证据确凿。

最详细的一段描写出自志愿军司令部作战处副处长、司令部办公室副主任杨迪在1998年出版的回忆录《在志愿军司令部的岁月里——鲜为人知的真实情 况》,由于当时毛岸英的身份只对军队的高层公开,杨迪并不知道被炸死的就是毛泽东的儿子:

【在我路过彭总办公室时,看到烟筒冒烟,立即跑进里面去看看,房里还有三个人正在用鸡蛋炒米饭吃。这些鸡蛋是前一天黄昏,我看到朝鲜人民军最高司 令部派到志愿军任副政治委员的朴一禹次帅(朝鲜金日成是元帅,下有三位次帅)给彭总送来一小筐鸡蛋(约10多个)。这在当时的朝鲜是极难得的,当 时彭总已吃过晚饭,还没来得及吃。三人中我只认识成普同志,那两位同志我只知道一位是彭总的俄文翻译,一位是才从西北调来的参谋,他们的姓名我不 知道。我问成普:"老成,你们怎么敢用送给彭总的鸡蛋炒饭吃呢?赶快把火弄灭。"成普说:"我怎么敢呀,是那位翻译同志在炒饭。"我不高兴地说: "你要他赶快不要炒饭了,快将火扑灭,赶快离开房子,躲进防空洞去。"成普说:"我们马上就走。"说完,我就向邓副司令的防空洞跑去。拂晓后,敌 人的飞机编队飞临大榆洞上空,也不绕圈子就投弹,第一颗凝固汽油弹正投中彭总那间办公室,敌机群先将凝固汽油弹和炸弹投下后,绕过圈来就是俯冲扫 射,然后就飞走了。】

据书中所写,当时志愿军有两条军规,一是拂晓后一律不准升烟,二是拂晓前就必须吃完早饭并进入防空洞(【三是都要在拂晓前做好早饭午饭,烧好开 水,天亮后白昼不准冒烟;四是白天人员都离开住的房屋到猫耳洞去工作(此规定为11月中旬出台,毛岸英死于11月25日)……解参谋长同意我的意 见,他即召开机关各部门领导干部会议,重申防空纪律,严格要求明早拂晓前,吃完饭都一律要进入防空洞(11月23日)】),连彭德怀本人都不例 外。杨迪当时的任务就是检查防空情况,而毛岸英牺牲时大致是上午10点到11点左右,这个时候丫居然还在做早饭。

如果只有杨迪一个人的证词,不少爱国人士恐怕还会一口咬定这是恶意中伤(虽然98年的时候中国已经不是毛泽东的天下,而是毛新宇的天下,但我很难 相信杨迪同志会有胆子去撒这种谎)。幸好毛岸英当时嘿蛋炒饭的英姿还被其他人目击到了,彭德怀的秘书杨凤安在他和军科院军史研究院王天成合著的 《北纬三十八度线——彭德怀与朝鲜战争》中亦写道:

【这时毛岸英和高瑞欣参谋因昨晚睡觉晚了,早饭未来得及吃,他俩正在围着火炉热饭吃。】

这段证词同样表明毛岸英当时没有按时起床,虽然没提到鸡蛋,不过跟吃饭肯定是脱不了钩了。

至于肇事者之一的成普则一口咬定根本没蛋炒饭这回事:

【他相当激动地驳斥道:"作战室既没有鸡蛋,也没有炒饭的锅瓢炒勺,也没有油盐之类。如果要煮鸡蛋,到炊事班的灶房才行。作战室是指挥打仗的地 方,不具备这些东西。】(《杨彦坤:父亲高瑞欣与毛岸英一起牺牲之后》,成普的说法是由杨彦坤转述,由于成普已经去世,无法核实真伪)

这下形成了2:1的局面,爱信谁就随各位的便了。

其实这个"蛋炒饭"最多只能算是个喜剧因素,毛岸英之死归根结底还是因为他该防空的时候没有去防空,这一点是肯定跑不了了。杨凤安在电视台做访谈 时(http://real.joy.cn/video/411097.htm)也指出,志司的规定是凌晨四点以前就得吃完饭进洞,毛岸英八九点 钟才屁颠屁颠的跑出来吃饭。而据武立金的《毛岸英在朝鲜战场》记载,毛岸英入朝不过一个月,他"睡懒觉"的毛病就已经相当严重了:

【最后张养吾给每一位党员都提出了希望,给毛岸英的临别赠言是:"要按时起床、按时就餐、按时防空。"成普接着张养吾的话说:"对了,有一次毛岸 英起床晚了,我们等他去吃早饭,没想到刚端起饭碗飞机就来了,我们四个人被堵在屋子里,只好一个人蹲在一个墙角落,像块奠基石。"】

相同的情节在张树德的《毛泽东与彭德怀》里也有记载,可见在11月25日之前毛岸英就因为睡懒觉而曾和死神擦肩而过。当然了,批评当朝太子不能太 直截了当,得走迂回路线,张养吾也给毛岸英找好了台阶下:"毛岸英是个工作狂,干起工作来不要命……"这下毛派如获至宝:看,睡懒觉不能怪毛岸 英,他是工作太辛苦睡得比别人迟……所以说这个毛派吧普遍智力有缺陷,毛太子又不是把睡觉时间挤占给工作,而是别人工作他睡觉,别人睡觉他工作, 明明规定好了防空时间,丫非要搞特殊,万一彭德怀也因为没有按时防空,刚入朝一个月就被美军炸死了(这个时候美军甚至都不知道中国军队已经跑来朝 鲜了),这仗还打个毛啊?说实话,也就是毛岸英以太子身份可以视军纪为无物,换个人说不定早就被彭总撵走了。

你说这毛岸英是工作狂吧,武立金的书里却还有这么一段记载:

【"我是学俄语的,彭总让我当翻译,可是又见不到苏联人来。"空怀绝技无处施展的毛岸英摇摇头,"也没什么事,在作战室搞搞文件。其实我是想来打 仗的,梁军长,你那里要人不?我到你们军去行不行?"】

看起来毛岸英似乎闲得很。

后面的故事更是让人蛋疼:

【"我想下基层!"毛岸英像他父亲那样把手一挥,"从营长干起,你给我一个营怎么样?……就说我有打仗的经验,我在苏联打过仗,参加过卫国战 争。"】

毛太子在苏联究竟怎么个打仗法本人尚无法下定论,但我很难想象斯大林真会给毛泽东的儿子安排一个什么高风险或者高技术含量的工作。《国际先驱导 报》08年的报导《俄解密档案披露毛岸英二战岁月》写道:

【布展工作负责人、历史学副博士斯韦特兰娜·科尔涅耶娃说:"见习生的身份意味着毛岸英没有参与战斗,而是在战地观摩。"同时,她指出,毛岸英档 案中"国籍"一栏注明"无国籍"。"按规定,苏联红军是绝不招收无国籍人员的。"……记者此前采访了与毛岸英关系不错的伊万诺沃国际儿童院同学陈 祖涛。陈祖涛说,毛岸英曾表示,因为自己在二战期间要上前线的请求没有得到满足,因此不想错过参加抗美援朝战争的机会。】

此报导之真实性仍有待考察,如果属实的话那我们不得不遗憾的说毛太子不仅是睡美男,而且还是个吹牛狂,这倒是非常符合我对周围部分土鳖官二代的印 象。至于梁兴初军长则被吓坏了,毛泽东安排儿子来大后方当翻译,梁兴初岂敢送他上前线,急忙使出"我回头跟领导商量商量"大法把毛岸英忽悠了过 去。

这还不算什么,杨迪《在》书中的另一段记载更能展现毛岸英的太子党气魄:【会议中也发生了我想不到、也不可能想到的奇异插曲(可能也出乎参加会议 的领导同志意料之外),就是正当彭总向梁兴初军长生气、批评梁后,与会领导同志都处在沉静严肃的气氛中时,随彭总来的那位年轻俄文翻译(我看他和 我的年龄差不多,二十七八岁)却毫不胆怯地站起来,指着挂在墙上的地图说起来了。彭总坐着一句话也不说,既不制止他讲话,也不批评他,志司几位副 司令也不制止他,各军军长低着头也不吭声。那位年轻的翻译,并不懂军事,我没有听明白他在讲什么,他说了一二分钟后,看没有人理会他,也就不说 了。当时我觉得很奇怪,怎么一个年轻翻译会在志司党委召开的作战会议上,而且是在彭总生气的严肃气氛中,敢于随便说话呢?还没有人制止他、批评 他?真怪!会议开完后,我对丁甘如处长说:"这个小翻译胆子真大,敢在彭总生气时,还在那儿说三道四。看来他还不懂党内和军内的规矩,这样重要的 高级会议,哪有他讲话、发言的资格。他是谁?他是什么人?"丁甘如同志说:"老杨,你就不要问,也不要打听了,我不会告诉你,其他的同志也不会告 诉你的,以后时间长了,你慢慢就会知道的。"】

这段记叙从侧面也反映出了毛岸英同志在苏联"打仗"确实是没白打,更惊人的则是那股由内而发的"我爸是李刚"的王霸之气,无怪乎能视军队之纪律如 粪土。如此看来,毛岸英同志死得确实也不冤枉,以他这个作风就算躲得过初一也躲不过十五,谁叫美国人的炸弹不遵守中国社会的潜规则呢。

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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-2 9:52:48
我记得以前看电影说过的,欧洲国家军队交战,不打主帅指挥官的,这叫骑士风度。既然不能打主帅指挥官,那主帅的儿子怎么能打呢?我看美国佬就是跑 到北美后把骑士风度忘到九霄云外去了。

还有,就算是吃了蛋炒饭又怎么了?美国佬打仗还吃牛肉罐头呢,还吃黄油涂面包呢,还吃炸薯条呢,他们有钱,能吃大餐,我们艰苦朴素,吃个蛋炒饭, 又怎么啦?

他们吃牛肉罐头我们没有轰炸他们,我们吃蛋炒饭他们还要轰炸,这还有没有人道?有没有人权?他们天天讲的人权跑到哪里去了??人都是要吃饭的,美 国佬不让人家吃饭,这算不算反人类罪?

强烈要求我国人民政府向海牙国际法庭起诉,控诉美国佬没有骑士风度,控诉美国佬反人道罪,反人类罪,战争罪!!

以后,蛋炒饭这一平凡的食物,将会被赋予不平凡的意义,它将成为我国人民控诉美帝反人道罪行的象征!

伊拉克人抗议美帝扔皮鞋,我们中国人民要有社会主义特色,就泼蛋炒饭来抗议!下次美国总统访华,咱们泼他一身蛋炒饭!咱们还要去白宫门口泼,把他 们的白宫都用蛋炒饭埋葬掉,控诉他们谋害革命后代的滔天罪行!

今日革命口号:"蛋炒饭,泼美帝,埋葬美帝野心狼!"

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chemnash
   
chemnash [98.223.232.*] @ 2010-12-2 9:58:45
楼上嗑啥药了?nc
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-2 10:05:37
越想越气!

下次美国总统访华,咱们的少先队员再别献花了,全部排队坐在空军一号出口旁边,每人一盘蛋炒饭,当着他们总统的面吃,羞死他们,看看美国佬有没有 脸面对他们当年的历史罪行!

记者会也甭提问了,每个记者人手一盘蛋炒饭,当着美国佬的面,一个劲猛吃,吃得嘛嘛香地!然后让英语流利的芮成钢老师尖锐质 问:"Mr.President! We are all eating egg fried rice now! So what will you do now?? Where are your fucking airforce?? You want to bomb us, right? Now we are different! We have nuclear bomb! We can eat egg fried rice wherever and whenever we want!You American go the hell! Chinese people have stood up!"

我看美国总统还不羞得无地自容,第二天就跳帝国大厦自杀了。
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-2 10:22:42
太气愤了!太气愤了!太气愤了!

美国鬼子连吃个蛋炒饭都要轰炸,我看他们连最基本的人性都没有了!禽兽不如!他们的丑恶嘴脸,最能激发我们的爱国情操!

强烈建议人民政府将蛋炒饭定为"全国爱国主义教育指定食物"!!!!

强烈建议将毛岸英同志牺牲的11月25日定为"抗美援朝牺牲者纪念日",全国放假一天,敞开免费供应蛋炒饭!!!!

强烈建议每一个热爱祖国的中国人都朝白宫泼一盘蛋炒饭,13亿5千万盘蛋炒饭,埋葬白宫!!!!
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烂昭昭
   
烂昭昭 [76.65.66.*] @ 2010-12-2 10:45:29
强烈建议政府颁布限价令,今后每盘蛋炒饭一律5毛,党员干部以及网络评论员可免费续盘,吃死丫的。
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一颗红杏压海棠
   
一颗红杏压海棠 [208.120.4.*] @ 2010-12-2 10:57:24
红心实在是太有喜感了
粉嫩粉嫩的
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末世迷途
   
末世迷途 [68.147.57.*] @ 2010-12-2 10:58:32
昧良心发帖死全家。
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silli
   
silli [115.160.138.*] @ 2010-12-2 11:39:59
红心肯定不是五毛党,五毛党能写出这样的英文吗?
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-2 11:53:13
五楼的烂昭昭同志,还真谢谢您提醒我了!现在生活好了,人人都能吃上蛋炒饭,免费续盘也不在话下。但是亲爱的毛岸英同志当年艰苦朴素,好不容易有 个蛋炒饭吃,都还没有吃完,就被万恶的美帝炸死了,惨啊!

那盘蛋炒饭都还没有吃完就牺牲了,岸英同志的在天英灵死不瞑目啊!

所以,坚决建议全国开展"纪念毛岸英同志,蛋炒饭红色朝圣之旅",把岸英同志的墓列为圣地,全国人民都每人带一盘蛋炒饭去朝拜,磕完头就把蛋炒饭 供在墓前,再深情地嘱托一句:"岸英同志,现在生活好了,国家强大了,蛋炒饭咱们能敞开肚皮吃了,也不用怕美国鬼子轰炸了!您就安心的吃吧,吃 吧!"

岸英同志的在天英灵,看着墓前的13亿5千万盘蛋炒饭,幸福而满意地笑了。
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websterzhao
   
websterzhao [98.64.159.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:18:07
哈哈,纵做鬼,亦幸福
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党员
   
党员 [184.105.147.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:23:15
说实话 看了很久红心的留言
发现思想和认知方面我们有着巨大的差异
个人感觉红心哥很可爱 比这里留言骂人 只知道抱怨的人强了很多 他能很有激情的表达出自己的情绪 并且提出建设性意见 以后大家留言的话 就要这样, 先陈列出关点, 然后描述原因, 最后给出意见

红心 这么热衷留言 表达情绪, 应该有自己的博客之类的吧, 留个地址给瞅瞅吧(单刷留言的话 很有可能是我党派来进驻牛博的5毛啊)
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kzll
   
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:46:32
我倒是非常赞同 红心的话

强烈建议将毛岸英同志牺牲的11月25日定为"抗美援朝牺牲者纪念日",全国放假一天,敞开免费供应蛋炒饭!!!!

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palmerleaf
   
palmerleaf [24.126.205.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:53:18
吃饱了死的,比他老子手上饿死的几千万中国人强
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kzll
   
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:53:51
居然有那么多人给红心 反对红心,我还以为 看推倒博客的 都是 高智商的呢
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卢安帕特
   
卢安帕特 [121.138.98.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:55:00
楼上的同志的意见我完全赞同!

不仅要吃蛋炒饭, 还要把它办成一个全国甚至全世界的节日, 还要申请世界文化遗产。
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kzll
   
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 13:04:33
老外有 12月25日的 圣诞节, 我们有 11月25日的 圣"蛋"节。
中国人自己的 节日。
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general7078
   
general7078 [207.46.92.*] @ 2010-12-2 13:11:05
大家要冷静,好好的想一想,我们难道不要感谢那份蛋炒饭吗?
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-2 13:24:50
这位同志您的话真是太妙了!我举双手同意您的观点!我们应该来个系列申遗,叫"岸英同志伟绩物质与非物质文化遗产群",非物质文化方面我们有11 月25日的"抗美援朝牺牲者纪念日暨吃蛋炒饭闹革命节",物质方面我们有革命圣地,人人朝拜的"毛岸英同志圣墓",这叫物质文明与精神文明两手 抓,两手都要硬!

而且岸英同志的革命圣墓在朝鲜,咱们前些日子不是组织4万干部重访井冈山吗?申办成功了,咱们4万干部就可以去朝鲜朝拜,呼吸那边新鲜的空气,喝 纯洁无污染的水,顺便带动朝鲜兄弟的GDP,这真是一箭双雕啊!

卢安帕特同志,我看你的思想水平,起码可以当个市委书记了。

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卢安帕特 卢安帕特 [121.138.98.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:55:00
楼上的同志的意见我完全赞同!

不仅要吃蛋炒饭, 还要把它办成一个全国甚至全世界的节日, 还要申请世界文化遗产。
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kzll
   
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 13:30:07
一颗红心放光芒 过奖过奖,卢安帕特同志市长不敢说,大学校长还是当得的。为我们好好教育下一代,为我们多多申请文化遗产。
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蹭饭的小狗
   
蹭饭的小狗 [126.15.89.*] @ 2010-12-2 13:35:03
红星大哥乃是以子之矛攻子之盾啊
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xingya
   
xingya [155.35.248.*] @ 2010-12-2 16:41:33
朝鲜战争打得好,打了以后:

1.终结了中国一姓天下的可能;

2.留下了朝鲜这个父传子、子传孙共产主义政权的鲜活例子给中国和世界人民看看;

3.产生了台湾这个永远让中共蛋疼的窗口。
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gavinstar1
   
gavinstar1 [130.89.225.*] @ 2010-12-2 17:14:21
这么一篇右愤文章也好意思发表?牛博真是什么人都有。98年就是毛新宇的天下?你真逗。四人帮的一条罪状是破坏文化大革命,没过几年文化大革命就 定性为浩劫了...以后只要是命令进防空洞而没进的人,死了活该,需要出洞办事的也都可以以此为理由,保证打仗时飞机炸不死一个人;睡懒觉?你去 战场上看看飞机在头上飞你能睡着不。气温多少?你打个鸡蛋炒饭看看?鸡蛋从床底下掏出来外面人咋看到的细节?不是前一天才被几年后被评上的朝鲜次 帅超越时空特地送来的么?不过,米饭哪里来的啊?人家那时候米饭比鸡蛋还精贵,只有没去壳的高粱米,你不知道了吧?咋亲历者成普成了肇事者之一, 话不可信了,反倒是没在现场的人看得那么多细节?成普也睡懒觉,也没吃饭?不知道次帅穿越时空送了几个鸡蛋,这么精贵的东西,咋放在床底下忘了没 拿到防空洞里去。也不对啊,杨迪没在现场,应该是早就知道鸡蛋放在床底下的,竟然故意让敌军炸掉。。。
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英国病人
   
英国病人 [192.100.124.*] @ 2010-12-2 17:23:10
感谢美国鬼子,感谢蛋炒饭
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二猪鸣栏
   
二猪鸣栏 [194.94.136.*] @ 2010-12-2 17:27:47
哥對紅心真是越看越喜歡,前幾天偶好像罵過你,對不起啊
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kzll
   
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 17:28:52
楼上的你是真脑残还是假脑残?作者只是客观引用书中原话,又没逼着你信,说了,爱信谁就随各位的便了。中国话都看不懂了?
至于你那些反问,麻烦你自己问杨迪去吧。
在这骂你都是侮辱我智商。
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retaw
   
retaw [74.82.163.*] @ 2010-12-2 18:27:14
现身围观 gavinstar1

其它的嘛,就不说了,就是kzll的意思,跟没逻辑的人,没啥好说的
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开明人士
   
开明人士 [173.236.168.*] @ 2010-12-2 18:49:21
gavinstar1 我对你随便扣帽子的行为表示鄙视
另外用常识来回答你几点问题吧
打倒四人帮时是华国锋当主席 定罪什么的就不用我说了
睡懒觉问题:请问你若是参军 你有自由行动的权利不?还是说你爸是李刚?
气温问题:如果我说在南极仍然可以点火煮鸡蛋,你要不要说,错的是世界?
床底:文中没有床底2字 你这人捏造2个字出来为了什么我是不知道 不过还是要指正你
几年后的次帅:98年写文章 是用当年的官衔还是用98年的?
米饭:文中提到入朝鲜一个月 你认为大军未行 粮草先动 是说说而已的玩物?还是说你认为志愿军只带半个月的粮食就入朝了?
肇事者:为什么用这三个字请看原书
至于你再次杜撰床底2字我就不吐槽了
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water112232
   
water112232 [123.2.216.*] @ 2010-12-2 20:43:40
人死为大,毛岸英也没做过什么坑害人民群众的事,何必在先人死后还让他不得安宁?

有胆量,有见识的男人请针砭时弊。
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博主回复 @ 2010-12-3 0:33:27
你这小王八羔子,别人针砭时弊你说他是洋奴,别人评论历史你又要他针砭时弊,你好歹换个ID吧?
earth citizen
   
earth citizen [175.181.237.*] @ 2010-12-2 21:02:22
大陸同胞好像比較缺乏幽默感,連我都看出來紅心同志是打著紅旗反紅旗,挖苦中共哪!
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [203.80.87.*] @ 2010-12-2 21:43:15
这话说得在理!可惜就是有一帮跳梁小丑,连区区一盘蛋炒饭都不愿给英烈坟前供上,就知道对革命后代搞人身攻击,咱们鄙视他们!

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water112232 [123.2.216.*] @ 2010-12-2 20:43:40 人死为大,毛岸英也没做过什么坑害人民群众的事,何必在先人死后还让他不得安宁?

有胆量,有见识的男人请针砭时弊。
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八文
   
八文 [75.119.223.*] @ 2010-12-2 23:01:34
红星同志的评论太给力了!
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caoerma
   
caoerma [150.203.235.*] @ 2010-12-3 0:25:29
博主对water的回复太给力了,哈哈哈。
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gavinstar1
   
gavinstar1 [82.169.100.*] @ 2010-12-3 5:06:45
没提床底?呵呵。原书在作者死后的08年才加入了蛋炒饭的新内容。你不知道?我只是把本文当做笑话看,没兴趣争论,想意淫就继续骂你的挂炉烤鸭, 感谢美国飞行员去好了。
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博主回复 @ 2010-12-3 6:02:11
又是从乌有之乡上看来的吧,很不幸哥07年12月28日做的笔记里就已经抄下这段了
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http://lovesue.blog.hexun.com/6190179_d.html

06年10月26日
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又找到个更早的

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_56a3bc00010006ng.html

03版就已经有了

信毛派果然不得好死啊
gavinstar1
   
gavinstar1 [82.169.100.*] @ 2010-12-3 5:08:54
对了,再提供一个细节,你们嘴中的毛独裁也有个习惯,晚上办公,早上睡觉,打仗时就这样。嗡嗡嗡,上吧。
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89692000
   
89692000 [188.100.203.*] @ 2010-12-3 8:12:29
看了网友留言我是真长见识了
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [202.155.202.*] @ 2010-12-3 8:59:05
强烈建议人民政府以后征服美帝之后把全部当过飞行员的美国佬做成挂炉烤鸭,供奉在伟大领袖,人民大救星,全体中国人慈祥的父亲,久经考验的共产主 义战士毛泽东主席的灵堂前。他老人家晚上办公,早上才睡觉,实在太辛苦了,一定要好好慰劳慰劳!

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gavinstar1 [82.169.100.*] @ 2010-12-3 5:06:45
没提床底?呵呵。原书在作者死后的08年才加入了蛋炒饭的新内容。你不知道?我只是把本文当做笑话看,没兴趣争论,想意淫就继续骂你的挂炉烤鸭, 感谢美国飞行员去好了。
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卢安帕特
   
卢安帕特 [121.138.98.*] @ 2010-12-3 9:06:16
博主果然是有备而来, 这说明了什么!!!?? 说明了在大是大非面前他选择了大非!!!是个埋藏很深的阶级敌人!!

作为一个坚定的毛主席的战士, 我们要勇敢面对一切惨痛的现实, 在正义和邪恶面前要站好队, 表好态.

Gavin同志和红心同志,作为正义人民的代表, 冲在思想战线的最前沿, 运用你们的知识和智慧, 跟各种不正确及反动的思想进行坚决的斗争,你们挽救了无数的不明真相的失足老中青年, 好样的!人民感谢你们。

BTW, 跟一帮抓着所谓的历史或者事实不放的人辩论,实在没有必要,事实是什么? 事实必须要服从理论的需要, 事实不过是正义理论的外在表现而已。 凡是背离了正确理论的事实, 那都是捏造的。 所以,我们要从理论的高度鄙视这些事实控,用最最先进的理论辨倒他们, 让他们崩溃。
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迅哥门下走
   
迅哥门下走 [90.198.11.*] @ 2010-12-3 9:16:25
我是来看评论的,一颗红心太逗了呵呵
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AK48
   
AK48 [150.101.125.*] @ 2010-12-3 9:27:27
从普通老百姓的人情上讲,毛岸英本人也确实没做过啥坏事,朝鲜战争能主动要求去第一线,固然有为日后即位打基础的嫌疑,但也不至于因此受到指责。

从理智上来说,毛岸英如果不牺牲在朝鲜,现在很可能:

老毛有儿子即位,总得留个好点的摊子传位,不至于像后来那样丧心病狂的乱来,一派"在我身后,哪怕他洪水滔天"的作风。老百姓从55年到76年间 日子会好过一些,也许不会有文革。现在则是毛N世执政,咱们现在都生活在一个巨大的北朝鲜。这一点上说,蛋炒饭和飞行员对中国老百姓确实是有贡献 的。当然,如果毛岸英能有蒋经国的见识或是林立果的魄力,那结局就很难预测了。
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AK48
   
AK48 [150.101.125.*] @ 2010-12-3 9:40:27
另,红心兄好文采,不开博可惜了...
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funkboy
   
funkboy [155.69.145.*] @ 2010-12-3 13:24:29
好好的一个帖子被红心歪楼了。。。
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silli
   
silli [115.160.138.*] @ 2010-12-3 13:44:38
毛岸英成不了蒋经国,只可能是金正日。蒋家的台湾受美国影响巨大,蒋宋都是基督徒。国民党虽然独裁,也还是有些底线的。这和我们完全不一样。

感谢美国飞行员,感谢蛋炒饭。

BTW,红心是不是对雇主心存不满的无毛阿,往往都是反话正说。

AK48 [150.101.125.*] @ 2010-12-3 9:27:27
从普通老百姓的人情上讲,毛岸英本人也确实没做过啥坏事,朝鲜战争能主动要求去第一线,固然有为日后即位打基础的嫌疑,但也不至于因此受到指责。

从理智上来说,毛岸英如果不牺牲在朝鲜,现在很可能:

老毛有儿子即位,总得留个好点的摊子传位,不至于像后来那样丧心病狂的乱来,一派"在我身后,哪怕他洪水滔天"的作风。老百姓从55年到76年间 日子会好过一些,也许不会有文革。现在则是毛N世执政,咱们现在都生活在一个巨大的北朝鲜。这一点上说,蛋炒饭和飞行员对中国老百姓确实是有贡献 的。当然,如果毛岸英能有蒋经国的见识或是林立果的魄力,那结局就很难预测了。
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gavinstar1
   
gavinstar1 [130.89.238.*] @ 2010-12-3 19:26:52
楼上看来是血统论的忠实信徒,"明白人",呵呵。
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绿坝
   
绿坝 [79.240.106.*] @ 2010-12-4 4:17:37
毛岸英要是不去,你们又该说什么呢?
历史是不能假设的,博主跟冉匪一样,已经被意识形态捆绑,也许过两年能好点儿,希望到冉匪那个年纪的时候,能比他明白点儿
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最后的使徒
   
最后的使徒 [98.175.25.*] @ 2010-12-4 5:47:13
我本来想吐槽说那些以为毛岸英没死就会成为另外一个蒋经国的人此刻作何感想的,看到红心的留言却笑抽了
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victorccc
   
victorccc [87.88.94.*] @ 2010-12-4 6:58:14
以后看到红心的留言必点支持!
红心讲的话必须是对的。
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xxxx
   
xxxx [27.32.225.*] @ 2010-12-4 7:07:13
绿坝,为什么这个名字呢,很喜欢被监控吗?天性就喜欢做政府的奴才?挣个五毛这样给力也太低能了。
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垂星居士
   
垂星居士 [173.224.215.*] @ 2010-12-4 7:47:31
http://www.sxxdf.cn/dzzz/dcf.mp3
来听蛋炒饭。
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renwoxiao
   
renwoxiao [69.22.172.*] @ 2010-12-4 12:46:25
我就说"牛博国际"怎么在国内上不去,看了看楼上的,如果国内的网站有这样发言的,斑竹还不删,网站早就被和谐了。如果我们假设毛岸英当时没有 死,我们国家现在是不是和朝鲜一样啦,是某个家族的天下,可以yy一下
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SpartanNeil
   
SpartanNeil [112.175.143.*] @ 2010-12-4 17:07:50
评论太精彩,把我乐抽抽了都!
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牛你大爷
   
牛你大爷 [137.205.127.*] @ 2010-12-4 21:25:58
太欢乐了。。。
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ctx618
   
ctx618 [141.31.188.*] @ 2010-12-5 4:04:42
悄悄话
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博主回复 @ 2010-12-5 6:59:20
是啊
btiancai
   
btiancai [141.54.152.*] @ 2010-12-5 4:47:30
请各位无聊之士不要在这里肆意评论新中国第一任领袖的家人,想想前人为了一个国家的复兴奉献了多少,而你们这群吃饱了饭只知道揪别人小辫子的人又 干了些什么,除了讥讽嘲笑还有什么?一群叫兽。人非圣贤,孰能无过,即便事实如你们所说,毕竟领袖唯一的儿子是死在战场上的,把性命陪上了,可能 死的窝囊,死的不光彩,但你们不要拿这个作为诋毁新中国领袖的靶子。我觉得可悲,好歹也是国之领袖,功与过,历史很公道,不希望你们这群酒囊饭袋 在公共场合肆意评论,丢人现眼。请各位尊重我们的领袖,尊重那些为国家真真正正作出过贡献的人。
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一颗红心放光芒
   
一颗红心放光芒 [203.80.87.*] @ 2010-12-5 10:36:35
完全同意!一帮跳梁小丑,连伟大领袖的儿子吃个蛋炒饭都要叽叽歪歪的,还有没有人性?连蛋炒饭都不让吃,他们还有脸讲什么人权?全是鬼话!

至于如何引导人民群众无限崇敬伟大领袖们,我看咱们坚决不能走西方国家的路子!他们居然还能在电视节目上对国家领导人品头论足,明显就是没有民主 的表现,我鄙视他们!

前些时候咱们伟大的社会主义祖国不是有好几个地方都在建四代领袖雕塑群么?我看这个点子蛮好!为了表达对毛岸英同志的无限崇敬之情,强烈建议党中 央在全国所有城市都建造毛岸英同志雕像,高度必须超过美国佬的什么帝国大厦,雕像上还得镶满钻石,闪闪发亮的!这还不比萨达姆同志和金日成同志的 雕像气派多了?

对了,别忘了在岸英同志的雕像旁,再摆个纯金铸造的蛋炒饭雕塑,提醒广大爱国群众不忘美国佬的滔天罪行!


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btiancai [141.54.152.*] @ 2010-12-5 4:47:30 请各位无聊之士不要在这里肆意评论新中国第一任领袖的家人,想想前人为了一个国家的复兴奉献了多少,而你们这群吃饱了饭只知道揪别人小辫子的人又干了些什 么,除了讥讽嘲笑还有什么?一群叫兽。人非圣贤,孰能无过,即便事实如你们所说,毕竟领袖唯一的儿子是死在战场上的,把性命陪上了,可能死的窝 囊,死的不光彩,但你们不要拿这个作为诋毁新中国领袖的靶子。我觉得可悲,好歹也是国之领袖,功与过,历史很公道,不希望你们这群酒囊饭袋在公共 场合肆意评论,丢人现眼。请各位尊重我们的领袖,尊重那些为国家真真正正作出过贡献的人。
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capella
   
capella [216.83.51.*] @ 2010-12-5 11:06:26
这老哥真活下来,估计今天的中国得和朝鲜一样了吧?
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dixylo
   
dixylo [65.49.68.*] @ 2010-12-5 20:29:42
不知推老师有没有兴趣考证一下最近在新浪开微博的将军到底是蛋炒饭王子的侄儿还是幺弟 网上有一些文章 但是我还是相信推老师的
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博主回复 @ 2010-12-6 0:55:48
唔,这个难度过高啊
麦长
   
麦长 [72.11.139.*] @ 2010-12-5 23:53:36
红心就是牛博一个靓丽的风景线~
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就这么嫖来嫖去
   
就这么嫖来嫖去 [173.212.232.*] @ 2010-12-7 0:47:11


每次翻墙就像出国一回。。千山万水的感觉。。。


推老师经常上twitter吗?有的话。。还麻烦透露一下你的号。。O(∩_∩)O谢谢
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博主回复 @ 2010-12-7 4:48:07
zeratulmrye
锋芒火
   
锋芒火 [65.49.68.*] @ 2010-12-7 3:38:10
kzll [114.190.193.*] @ 2010-12-2 12:53:51
居然有那么多人给红心 反对红心,我还以为 看推倒博客的 都是 高智商的呢
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你没看见五毛们鬼魅的身影吗?
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sisige
   
sisige [129.128.147.*] @ 2010-12-17 15:04:45
发表一下自己的观点就乱扣帽子
老说啥5毛什么的
说几句支持政府的话就成了5毛
你这不也是言论独裁吗?
美分党上台不也成了独裁者
没啥区别
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newbee.leo [91.128.133.*] @ 2010-12-19 8:45:40
毛岸英就算是军纪不加本太子,但他是死在一场代表多国家集团利益的"反侵略"战争中,又是被敌人的飞机炸死的,所以当时必须-只能是民族英雄。

就算毛像下天安门,毛标本出纪念堂,毛孩也没有必要再翻出重审,因为他像其他很多人一样只是牺牲品。

毛应不应该打朝鲜战争在当时来讲也很是问题,最起码不能是"志愿"的。应该是毛斯的血红交易。 可是中国用这么大代价到底得到了什么呢?
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左三拳右三拳
   
左三拳右三拳 [138.251.34.*] @ 2011-1-24 5:19:20
虽然是第一次见面,但我已经毅然的决定要正式红心哥的粉丝了!
哇哈哈哈哈~~~
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流苏线条
   
流苏线条 [65.49.2.*] @ 2011-2-7 0:22:15
我怀疑岸英同志吃蛋炒饭时是不是在斗地主,别人提醒小心被炸,自己仗着我爸是李刚输得起,谁知真被炸了!
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凌途
   
凌途 [65.49.2.*] @ 2011-2-7 13:59:09
"毛岸英是个工作狂,干起工作来不要命……"这句话太有喜感了!
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zhaozhao
   
zhaozhao [194.197.79.*] @ 2011-6-24 15:29:36
gavinstar1 [82.169.100.*] @ 2010-12-3 5:06:45
没提床底?呵呵。原书在作者死后的08年才加入了蛋炒饭的新内容。你不知道?我只是把本文当做笑话看,没兴趣争论,想意淫就继续骂你的挂炉烤鸭, 感谢美国飞行员去好了。
------------------------------------------------这不像gavinstar1的风格啊,
gavinstar1一向是得理不让人的。
至于笑话,乌有之乡岂不是要变成相声大会?哈哈
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